Most of my shirts are long sleeve, hooded sun protecting garments from various manufacturers. Until I bought two WindRider Atoll Hooded shirts my favorite for fit, quality, and convenient, thumb hole was made by Kuhl. Now, because of the built in gaiter, and initial quality, my Atoll shirts have become my favorites. I prefer not having a bill board printed on my sleeves and would appreciate a more subtle logo such as the small Kuhl patch on their shirt sleeves. Each time I put the Atolls on, I hear what sounds like one or two stitches ripping. So far I have not found any tears.